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And don't try to tell me it isn't-- do a search on 'yaoi', and I guarantee you you'll find violent/explicit/paedophilic porn material somewhere on the first page.

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Let me start by giving you the FAQs wherein it's stated what is and is not acceptable material on dA: help.deviantart.com/565/ help.deviantart.com/60/

These are clearly geared to visual arts folk, but I am reasonably sure they'd apply to the lit galleries as well. This said, I'd like to share with you a few concerns I have about the content of some of the deviations I've been finding lately.

Look, everyone who knows me is aware that I am certainly no prude, nor a wowser when it comes to erotica. But jeez, people.. some of this stuff is worse than the worst b-grade nasty crap you'd find on any erotica fiction forum (yes, I belong to a couple, and I'm not telling which, so nyah).

But this isn't an erotic fiction forum, is it? It's deviantART, with a population of under-21's larger than that of the entire State I live in.

It's not just my concerns about kiddies getting their little heads filled by porn masked as "Okay sex stuff coz it's about cartoon/game/movie characters", either. I've seen some pretty disturbing things happening in the comments on these deviations. Here's a synopsis:

Under-Age Idjit Yaoi Fan: "Onoes, Harry Potter Porn Writer, the Mature filter has stopped me reading your sex stories!"

Harry Potter Porn Writer: "Oh, don't worry about that. Now I can't expose you to my hardcore yaoi rape scenarios, I'm taking my porn somewhere else."

Under-Age Idjit Yaoi Fan: "Meep! But how will I read you, now?!"

HPPW: "Give me your e-mail (times this by 10 or so other idjits) and then join me at a porn-friendlier site"

UAIYF: "Okay."

Yeah, scary, huh? I saw two of these in a matter of half an hour of doing a search on yaoi. And here's some notes I made on various individual deviations, whilst browsing the yaoi.. er.. fan-fic and mature categories. Keep in mind, I used to write erotica for a living. Some of this stuff shocked even me:

-- incest paedophile-rape porn. This guy's gallery was an anthem to paedophilic rape.

-- incest porn

-- explicit forced oral sex on a minor

-- rape porn

-- Voldemort as paedopile rapist, thinly disguised as a 'dream sequence'.

-- haha. how many times can a person say 'c*ck' in one sentence? Oh yeah and 'let's meet up, away from here' is a scary thing for someone writing paedophile porn to say to a dA member.

-- extremely explicit violent porn

-- very explicit porn novel chapter

-- explicit porn, with this appended in capital letters (and I quote): "I had to take the Mature filter off because my people can't read my work" (Your porn-ppl are CHILDREN is why, you f'n  freak).

-- complete with many throbbing things.

- explicit porn

-- pretty explicit porn

-- masturbatory porn

-- porn (in which Harry gets pregnant O_o )

-- more yawn.. er.. porn

- Explicit sex and c*m shot -- say, isn't that porn?


Now, I'm not suggesting a witch-hunt on all devs that should be, but are not, marked "Mature" and nor am I saying that fiction depicting sex scenes is a bad thing.

I'm saying that anyone with half a brain can tell that some devs are NOT literature as much as they are porn-scenes, with the entire purpose and focus being to depict various forms of sex, end of writing. Some are even clever enough to put some kind of scrawny-ass plot around thier offerings, in an attempt to make it look less so-- but still, they always END with the sex scene as the climax of the piece (PUN!) or soon thereafter, and it's clear that depicting an explicit sex scene is the entire and ONLY reason it's been posted.

So, how's about we go on a little rampage, O people who DO give a damn, and start reporting Lit that's clearly less about any kind of real literature than it is about getting a bunch of underaged persons sexually excited.

My apologies, btw, to those writers of yaoi who DO follow guidelines. I read some of your stuff, too, and no matter what my own opinion of it is, persoanlly, I do recognise that at least you are doing the right thing and keeping it porn-free.

EROTICA IS NOT PORN, I understand that, and I hope other people reading this do, too. However, explicit porn passed off as "erotica" has no place here, as the rules of submission make clear. I WILL MAKE IT MY BUSINESS TO REPORT YOU if you're too stupid to understand the FAQ. :)

!!!! BUT SAL ---  why o why don't you just use the X-button and go on your merry way, leaving these poor little porn-writers at peace?

Because I give a crap about the safety and the mental and emotional wellbeing of children, is why.

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Rainyskye Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2008
I hope all these disgusting people are reported for their shameful work, your article will definately reach out to people who can keep their eye on deviations such as these. Keep up the good work Sal.
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SuperGrouper Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2008
Yaoi fangirls are the festering lesion on the hinderparts of anime fandom. Someone needs to stop them from destroying this site. DeviantART is an ART site, not a shrine to unnatural sex.
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TheObviousChild Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2007
*applauds*
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AdrianAcheros Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2007
/commend

At first, I thought this was going to be a... how to say this..."ban those under 18 from viewing mature art" but that was a horrible assumption to make, I offer my apologies.

You are indeed right, there are people here who don't follow guidelines, and I think that's a serious reason as to why DA put that ban on those who are under 18 to view so called "mature art".

I am a fan of artistic nude, the body is a beautiful thing. Yes I am indeed a man, think what you will, but there are some pictures out there that truly depict the beauty of the human body.

Either way, the points you bring up are solid, I completely agree with you.

Adrian
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sammehsweet Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2007
Thank you so very, very much for taking some form of action against this. I can remember a time I was like 'dA has an erotica lit section?' taking a peek and being slightly wierded out. I agree with you one hundred percent that people obviously do not understand the distinction between erotica and p0rn and take it to mean some all out violent blood orgy, yeauch.The ones that I scanned, were either very young teenagers with 'omg lyk this is my first time writin stuf lyk this' to just very horrible situations with minors, violence, rape and other unwholesome stuff of which I do not want to see, and can only wonder why other people want to see.

The other thing I noticed, which worried me slightly, was that comments on these pieces are not a gauge of the volume of people who -read- the literature. I remember noticing a trend where erotica (violent, horrible explicit 'erotica';) had no comments, but well over a thousand views. That is alot of people who read these things, and you have no idea who they are.

I once had a friend ask me what the difference between erotica and porn was, which I told her (to speak simply) that 'Erotica was everything up to the sex' with characters, emotions, interactions in a variety of different situations - they can be naughty, but I always thought erotica should be more suggestive than graphic (something very rarely seen in the pr0n-fests in alot, but not all, dA erotica pieces). After all, sex is just sweatiness and thrusting and strange noises we wouldn't want to make in public places no matter what position it is in.

I applaud you for having the stomach to go out and read these things. I've never seen such courage and fortitude since the people at Godawful Fanfiction.

In closing, if I come across pieces like this again, what is the most effective way to lodge a complaint or 'black mark' them if they go against the dA submission guidelines?
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salshep Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2007
Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

And yeah, I think that if the site's going to have an 'erotica' section, it might want to do some more regular and thorough checking of its contents.

I am yet to see any definitive admin action concerning public warnings against posting porn, specifically, in the literature gallery. And while the erotica category exists, and without the mass awareness something like that would bring, people are going to continue to see it as their 'right' to post whatever nasty crap they want in there, and feel justified in moaning about the 'unfairness' of it being moved or deleted. :|

At the bottom of each dev is a little link thing that says 'report policy violation'. Click that, choose ';pornography' and file a report. Somebody will get to it sooner or later.

I'm actually, at this point, kinda pissed to see not ONE GD or admin response, comment or news fave on this issue.

Maybe you have to be a bit more popular among the inner circle to get your stuff supported, I don't know. But it leaves me with the impression that deviantART cares a good deal less for the welfare of its customers than keeping up popularity with pageview numbers and happy emotes.

Meh, I don't mind being the squawking voice in the wilderness so much, I'm kind of used to it here. But this issue is serious enough that if they can't stomach showing ME support, they might find it in them to make their own damned news about the problem, in a specific way, and thereby get a show of official support that would go a long way to making people pay some f'n attention.

It should not be entirely in the hands of the paying consumer to be policing the policy of this website is my point, I guess.
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sammehsweet Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2007
I think it's mostly become and issue which is well grounded and well entrenched making it seem too formidable to eradicate. This may be the case, or rather that it might take a good long time and effort to bring it back into control - time and effort that the higher admins don't have. I'm pretty sure they've been policing visual art from the start. I mean over the last few years it just seems that yaoi has just undergone this explosion, I now see it everywhere in large volumes when I hadn't a couple of years ago.

I also kind of think that maybe the community has not really put in the restrictions for the literature side of erotica as well. I thought this when I first noticed that the FAQ's you showed are aimed quite clearly at visual artists - there aren't those clear cut lines for literature.

I do empathise with your anger on the lack of response from people higher up in the Great Chain of dA Being. But I do think, looking at the support you have from many deviants including alot of literature deviants, that maybe you can bring response and action within the community at least. Especially if the response from the GD's and admins can be aroused, maybe with some action within especially the literature community at least would cause them to break from inaction. I mean, there are two reasons why I agree with you - on a moralistic level and on the level that I do not enjoy seeing one branch of writing being degraded when it is in fact a genre of writing that can be done and done very well without the explicit and pornographic material that has currently overrun it.

Personally I think you'd have alot of support from dA members if you wanted to bring action through a community or a group, even if it shouldn't be entirely in the hands of the customers.
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salshep Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2007
Ah, I see $lolly has just put out a journal concerned with innapropriate content. That's a start, I suppose. Now to get the gallery cleaned up...

Anyone got a bulldozer and a packet of valium?
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salshep Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2007
inappropriate* even ><
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dreamscape-painter Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2007
I loveses you, sally, dear.
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